Living Forever – an absolutely abhorrent aberration?

I’m currently reading Bryan Appleyard’s 2007 book “How to Live Forever or Die Trying” – half way in and so far it’s been mainly philosophical about the meaning of life, what “I” means to someone who can’t remember most of what they have done and whether the quest for immortality is morally correct.

Generally I don’t focus on these subjects for the Live Forever Club as it is aimed at people who have already decided they do want to and are looking for useful tips on how to make it possible. However I was chatting with a friend last night who falls into what I would call the “totally normal” camp. The term “radical life extension” means nothing to him, he’s not religious, and so has no preconceived views on living forever so I was very interested in his reaction on me setting up the club.

We went through the usual steps of is it possible, who would want to, but what if it was with your 20-something body, etc. After a few moments where I thought I’d tempted him he concluded that it would just not be right… an aberration of nature was the term he used. Basically to most people I’ve spoken to it doesn’t seem right that people might live forever.

But being a totally normal person, he also raised a couple more interesting points.

1. Many people, including non-religious ones, believe there is something after death and therefore aren’t trying to prevent it. I suggested that that is a big gamble as you don’t get a second chance, however he pointed out that I am also taking a gamble that there is not something beyond death which immortalists will never discover.

2. Are we already past the moral argument of radical life extension? Compared to the average life expectancy just  a few hundred years ago we already are. In the future will there be 200 year old people saying it’s immoral to live past 1000 even though they’re already benefiting from medical and technological improvements to have lived past the “natural” 100-ish years biological limit.

And his final parting comment – having said all that, ask me again when I’m on my death bed, as then it’s no longer a hypothetical argument.

NICE will have to approve all one-off interventions as life expectancy increases

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) it would not usually recommend a treatment that costs more than £20,000-30,000 per QALY (quality-adjusted life year). See this link for more details on NICE’s cost effectiveness formula:
https://www.nice.org.uk/proxy/?sourceurl=http://www.nice.org.uk/newsroom/features/measuringeffectivenessandcosteffectivenesstheqaly.jsp

So any drugs you have to continue taking to benefit from them won’t be affected if we start living longer as it’s a “per year” threshold – if it’s cost effective for 1 year then it’s cost effective for 100 years.

But what about one off interventions – for example surgery or short term pharmaceuticals? If a treatment could guarantee 20 years extra of full quality life then even at an eye watering half a million pounds it would still be considered cost effective.

As well as (or maybe as part of) trying to figure out how to handle an ever increasing population the UK government will have to change their guidelines for what treatments its citizens can expect to receive on the NHS.

Classic exponential growth in age distribution of older UK citizens

As the population of the UK grows obviously we will see more people of all ages. But if you examine the age distribution, what percentage of people are now living to a grand old age?

This graph shows the percentage of the UK population that are aged 85 or over – a feat only achieved by 1 in a thousand in 1881 but more than 1 in 50 now.

Over 85s age distribution over time

Over 85s age distribution over time

I’m not a statistician but I realise a percentage can’t grow forever – otherwise more than 100% of the population will be over 85 eventually! However, I thnk this shows that more and more people are going to be living a lot longer and eventually apart from the “new borns” everyone is going to be over a 100 years old.